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But it's not because usually you can power it up turn 2. And there is SSU and switch.

Made some changes: -1 SSU +1 Shauna @TuxedoBlack I, from personal testing, have been dead drawing way to much. Also, I was forgetting the Hydregion EX I have in there for regice.

@iceDA I don't go to preleases anymore because what would I open? 10 good trainers and a (probably) poor EX out of it? But on aurorus, It could be nice with archies stoise in expanded.

Pokemon: 10 3 Seismitoad EX 3 Giratina EX 2 Shaymin EX 1 Hoopa EX 1 Bunnelby 1 Hydreigon EX *pardon spelling* (for regice) Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 39 3 Professor Sycamore 2 Professor Birch's Observations 1 Lysandre 4 VS Seeker 3 Trainers Mail 1 Xerosic 2 Team Flare Grunt 4 Ultra Ball 3...

Anyone else tired of garbage EXs?

Bump.

Pokemon: 15 4 Sceptile EX (AOR) 3 M Sceptile EX 2 Shaymin EX 1 Hoopa EX 2 Ariados (AOR) 2 Spinarak (AOR) 1 Jirachi 1 Virizion AOR Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 37 3 Professor Sycamore 1 Professor Birch's Observations 1 Skyla 2 Hex Maniac (Gira/Toad/ Bats and Fighting bats are very popular...

Personally, I would just play vespiqueen and Milotic, with one jirachi and one toad. I don't think you need Bronzong or gallade.

Honestly? No. This won't be amazing. Kricketot: Call for family has never been good, except in some exceptions. A decent card, but a normal engine would work better. Durant: The second attachment kills Durant. Lysandre, VS Seeker, and Bats all crush it. Don't forget toad. Garbodor: A reprint...

@Asmer 1) At no point do I say any condition is useless. I simply think confusion isn't incredibly helpful. 2) I'm not talking about poison. If this thread were about poison, I would say my opinion. 3) If everything did what they were supposed to do (special conditions), then roller skates...

Wait. I'm confused. What is the point of confusing the opposing pokemon? With switch, float stone, escape rope, and AZ flying around I'm not very excited for any special condition. Also, the attack might just go straight through. It might be okay with Machamp EX. Everyone is also forgetting...

Maybe I am. But by sheer luck you will discard some. I think you might have misunderstood a little bit. When I say underestimated, I just mean relatively unknown. I'm not really sure if people are thinking about this currently. Also, the deck doesn't completely rely on discarding critical cards...

Helps with the aggressive. Honestly, I think it is really good. Worked when I built it. Also, there is more anti-ex stuff in expanded.

I built this but differently. Here are the changes I would make: -4 Hypnolaser -3 bank -1 sycamore -2 blacksmith -2 hex -2 scheme Total: -14 +4 unown +3 fire +1 muscle band +1 Shaymin +1 ultra ball +1 entei (no ancient trait) +3 scorched earth

It could be an issue. But if you just have the band/ double in hand you can just play them down each turn. But you also can't retreat. I see what you mean.

Yeah, Robo subs really just buy you a turn. And in a deck where you are literally knocking nothing out, buying turns really would only potentially help you in the bee/ Might Narch matchup.

I found a very simple way to beat it. DCE, Shaymin- EX, and possibly Muscle band if you play it. I suppose you also need float stone or a pokemon with free retreat. What you do is each turn, sky return and put the cards into your hand. This way, you are 1 or 2 hit KOing pokemon. I know N is a...

Bunnelby was just unhelpful in the deck. Houndoom has built in energy retrieval in it's second attack, and I never wanted to send it up. Houndoom just simply did a better job. @bbninjas you put in some good arguments. I too though about the time limit. When you are hitting the turn two mill...

@GengarGuys This is the list I've tested a bunch. It's actually been winning more than I expected. I'm taking this seriously as a play for cities.

I have been playing straight Houndoom Mill, and won a large amount of games.