Research Week #3: Ubers

T

The Yoshi

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Hey everyone. I was browsing through Smogon one day, and I came across the Research Groups for a variety of the lower tiers. I actually thought it was pretty cool, to see how the users were able to analyze the Pokemon in their own way, and ladder to the top. I'd like to attempt to bring that kind of thing here, and explore all Pokemon in every tier. You never know, you might come across a Pokemon that you found a new love for (personally, I found a passion for Mandibuzz after trying it out for a Research Week in RU).

First off, we will be researching the Pokemon in Ubers for this third week.

Rules:

  • Be open-minded and try to use a Pokemon to a full extent whether you think it is terrible or not. Remember, the point of this is to see if the Pokemon do have a niche, and if they can perform well.
  • Don't be afraid to make an analysis for a Pokemon that has already been analyzed. There is more than one niche a Pokemon can fulfill.
  • Do not post here complaining that the Pokemon I chose were bad; just PM me some ideas for next time instead of complaining about them.

(these rules are the same as the ones on Smogon; well, not word for word, but you get the point)

So, without further ado, here are the Pokemon we will be researching for Week 3:

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Ho-oh | Forretress | Excadrill​

In order to participate in this Research Week, you must post in this thread or PM me with your Alt/username on PO/PS/whatever and the Pokemon you plan to use. You must also use at least one of the Pokemon that have been chosen for the week. It would be appreciated if you provided some input about your experiences with the Pokemon, and if you don't feel it, you can change it at any time. Any theorymon is accepted unless it's just foolish, but you should put it to some competitive use. Feel free to share any logs or sets you like here.

The objective of each week is to ladder as high as you can (on a competitive server like Pokebeach or Smogon) using one or more of the Pokemon chosen from the week. You must PM me or post here with a screenshot of proof that you laddered to the position you claim. The winner will be given the choice of the tier used for next week and is allowed to choose one Pokemon to research for the following week (but nothing like Politoed in OU ;D).

Again, if anyone has a problem with this, don't hesitate to PM me about what you think is wrong about the idea of the group. Please don't post here, though.

Current Participants:

Good luck!

Edit: Could someone change the 2 in the title to a 3? Thanks.
 
RE: Research Week #2: Ubers

I've used all of them in Ubers before with the amount of experience I have in the tier. Ho-Oh can be very powerful as long as you can get rid of Stealth Rock and Kyogre. Once those two things are eliminated, it becomes fairly easy for Ho-Oh to sweep. Groudon can't be switched in on it easily since not only would it take higher damage from the weather automatically becoming sunny, but also because it has a 50% chance to get burned from Sacred Fire.

Ho-Oh has the fantastic Roost move which gives it access to recovery. This is very helpful since Life Orb is a very common held item for Ho-Oh as is the move Brave Bird. The final move is really depenant on the rest of the team but could be Return, Earthquake, or Punishment, although Punishment has limited uses.

Changing the weather to rain is the best way to defeat it because it softens up Sacred Fire while boosting water attacks and allows Ho-Oh to be reliably hit with Thunder. Choice Scarf Tyranitar is also a decent check because it can threaten it with Stone Edge.

Forretress is still usable in Ubers, though it is best on stall teams which need Toxic Spikes. Forretress does provide support for Pokemon like Ho-Oh who have Stealth Rock weakness. The main use Forretress has over Ferrothorn is the ability to spin away hazards. Ferrothorn has much more power and access to Thunder Wave.

Excadrill in the Ubers tier is new this generation. With Sand Rush and access to Swords Dance it is easy to see why it is usable in Ubers. After a single Swords Dance, it can reach upwards of 700 Attack and over 500 Speed in the sand. It can't be stopped easily because of the sheer power. Giratina-O is one of the few ways to deal with it effectively. Groudon can only defeat it if the Balloon is popped. Scarf Kyogre is able to revenge KO it since the weather will be changed.
 
I think I'm going to end up getting rid of the whole Research thing and focusing on how certain Pokemon would work in other tiers (eg. Relicanth in OU). I do like the way people have been reviewing the Pokemon, and how they work in certain tiers, so I'm going to discontinue this and try something different next week. Thanks to everyone who participated in this! Mods can lock, but people are free to try these Pokemon.
 
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