VVV or VVL? help me

[Slowbrother]

Well, My Mandibuzz/Kingdra Prime deck didn't made it well, so I give up. Than I've decide to re-build my old deck with Victreebel. Didn't get good results again.
So now I have 2 good pokémon builds, but definely don't know what should use. See the lists below:

VVV

Pokémon: 21

4-3-4 {W} Vanilluxe (NV) (4 Vanillite NEX)
3-1-2 {G} Vileplume (UD)
2 {R} Victini (NV #14)
1 {L} Pichu (HGSS)
1 {C} Cleffa (CoL)

T/S/S: 26

4 Communication
4 Rare Candy

4 PONT
3 PETM
2 N
3 Sage's Training
3 Twins
2 FSL
1 Collector

Energy: 13

10 {W}
3 {C} Rescue

Strategy: set up asap Vanilluxe, Vileplume and Victini. Vanilluxe uses Double Freeze to paralize your foe's pokémon, Victini reflips in case of 2 tails and Vileplume to lock your foe's switches and stuff.

Positive point: Vanilluxe have 130HP, retreat cost not bad, weakness not bad either, 2 energies to hit 60 and have a huge possibility to paralize your opponent's pokémon.

Negative point: Vanilluxe is a stage 2 pokémon (enough said), attack with 2 energies (not so bad, but...).


VVL

Pokémon: 18

4-4 {G} Lilligant (EP)
3-1-2 {G} Vileplume (UD)
2 {R} Victini (NV #14)
1 {L} Pichu (HGSS)
1 {C} Cleffa (CoL)

T/S/S: 29

3 Communication
3 Rare Candy
3 Lvl Ball

4 PONT
4 PETM
2 N
3 Sage's Training
3 Twins
2 FSL
2 Collector

Energy: 13

10 {G}
3 {C} Rescue

Strategy is the same as VVV, but the difference is the way Lilligant attacks: Heads to paralize and poison/ Tails to confused.

Positive points: Lilligant is a stage 1 pokémon, Lvl ballable, main attack with 1 energy and a nice retreat cost.

Negative points: Lilligant have a {R} weakness (really bad sometimes), only 90 HP, lower possibility to paralize your opponent and need 3 energies to hit 60.

 

[27th_wonder]

I'd say VVV, because 90HP is tiny in this format. lilligant dies to darkrai in 1 turn. ice cream lives longer and has better damage output

how useful is PETM? 4 seems overkill, so drop 2-3 for +2 N and maybe a 4th sage if you want it.

 

[Slowbrother]

I'd say VVV, because 90HP is tiny in this format. lilligant dies to darkrai in 1 turn. ice cream lives longer and has better damage output

how useful is PETM? 4 seems overkill, so drop 2-3 for +2 N and maybe a 4th sage if you want it.

True, 4 is overkill, but I have to keep at least 3.

PETM is usefull because after Vileplume it's the only way to evolve Vanilluxe, that's why I put 3 Vanillish also.

to replace PETM I'll put a collector.

The reason that I dont put another N is because it is good to keep your foe's hand a crap full of useful itens that he can't use. And Sage's already have a good number of three.

 

[MountainDrew]

I would run Lilligant because its faster and more efficiate in my opinion and it hits Terrakion for weakness