Why is Arceus having success at BR's

NJPokeDad

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The last three articles I have read about BR's has had at least one mention of an Arceus deck.

Has anyone seen Arceus at their BR or are they running it? Why do you think it's suddenly doing well?

I tried so hard to use it and get it working. I wasn't able to ever get it consistent enough to use. Lost to my kids and at league every time.

Has anyone seen a skeleton list of these successful Arceus decks.
 
I battled my friends Arceus deck at a BR and although I beat him in swiss rounds he pulled off the win in top 4. I've battled his Arceus enough that I could probably make a build pretty close to his deck. I think that Arceus is a hard deck to play and is actually quite good, even though I've beaten one of my friends LuxChomp 2-0 with Charizard, My record against Arceus is 3-4. Arceus is definitely an underrated deck.
 
^I second this. I have played against the same Arceus deck and it is quite good. You just have to know how to play it.
 
One of my friends won BR with arceus. It was a decent deck before rotation, and since it doesn't use claydol, it didn't lose anything big after rotation except unown G, which almost slowed the deck down anyway. Here is an article about Arceus I wrote back in the day. The biggest update from what is posted is DCE instead of call energy and collectors instead of roseanne's.
 
Arceus has always been good. How is a deck that has Type advantage across the board not good? It's just the time frame to use Arceus hasn't been good in the past(i.e Flygon,Jumpluff). Now that those decks are nearly nonexistent, Arceus can shine. It has good match ups against SP(which makes it all the more reason to play it) and any deck that relies on a main attacker from HGSS-on(Tyranitar,Donphan,Steelix,etc.). Also, in my testing, it does well against Vilegar, unless they get 100% coin flips on Fainting Spell. The only thing that really holds back Arceus is its reliance on Ultimate Zone. This can change if the Arceus Player uses Shaymin UL to move the energy without Ultimate Zone, but be leery of Power Spray. Twins can also help in finding Zone reliably without Shuffle Draw/Top Decking.
 
I just don't see how it works. It needs SIX! different Arceus in play just to get started. Which means no uxie!

Then it needs a stadium.

Then it needs level x's.

If you have any stadium of your own or anything that can do good damage you should be ok.

It can win if it gets set up really well and fast, but like I said not consistent enough.

RE: Why is Arceus having success at BR's
One of my friends won BR with arceus. It was a decent deck before rotation, and since it doesn't use claydol, it didn't lose anything big after rotation except unown G, which almost slowed the deck down anyway. Here is an article about Arceus I wrote back in the day. The biggest update from what is posted is DCE instead of call energy and collectors instead of roseanne's.

amisheskimoninja, I read your article. According to the article you have the Omniscent active and all the other Arceus on the bench so it can hit for any weakness.

However: it doesn't work that way. The Active Omniscient is only the type of Arceus he has leveled up, right?

Therefore if you have fire active and level him up then you are fire. If you need an electric type to fight a water pokemon you would need to bring him up from the bench, not use his attach.
 
I just don't see how it works. It needs SIX! different Arceus in play just to get started. Which means no uxie! Maxing out both Call and Collector help. also Beginning Door/Bebe's/Pokemon Communication add to its consistency

Then it needs a stadium. Already mentioned that's a problem. Shuffle/Straight Draw help or Monk's/Cynthia's Guidance could pull it out for you if you want to risk it.

Then it needs level x's. Every Pokemon Search Card except Collector can find any Arceus this deck needs.

If you have any stadium of your own or anything that can do good damage you should be ok. What do you mean? For or Against Arceus?

It can win if it gets set up really well and fast, but like I said not consistent enough. Its plenty consistent, outside of the Stadium needing to be in play. Call/Collector->Ripple Swell->Type Advantage->(Opponent) :(



amisheskimoninja, I read your article. According to the article you have the Omniscent active and all the other Arceus on the bench so it can hit for any weakness.

However: it doesn't work that way. The Active Omniscient is only the type of Arceus he has leveled up, right?

Therefore if you have fire active and level him up then you are fire. If you need an electric type to fight a water pokemon you would need to bring him up from the bench, not use his attach.
Not speaking for Ninja, but want to comment anyway. I haven't read through his article in detail, but I wouldn't base current Arceus decks to his due to it being outdated.

As for your Question, that's what make Arceus so versatile with Type Advantage. Ripple Swell for energy advantage, select opponent's predominate weakness, Level Up selected Arceus and use beneficial attacks.

Here's a list I made about a Month ago that's done well against SP and VileGar. Take it, Use it, Adjust it, Love it.


http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=86547&highlight=Arceus
 
Arceus... To some decks its a nightmare. To SP it's pretty much a bad joke. Against DialgaChomp/LuxChomp it does very poorly.
 
^^^
Is it a "Ha Ha" I can't believe this is happening Joke or a "Ha ha" I glad I didn't play a good one joke?

Please Explain.
 
As in "Ha Ha, this is really too easy.". LuxChomp just has to drag up the types it wants to get rid of first or snipe the Arceus(s) with all the energy, then you're screwed. DialgaChomp snipes the types it doesn't like then locks your bodies as it demolishes your energy supply and takes easy prizes. That's the kind of bad joke I was referring to.
 
@Rikko145: The kid I battled in top 4, played against DialgaChomp in top 2 and beat it, and I know he's beaten LuxChomp as well. Have you ever played against/seen a good Arceus deck in action?
 
Yeah. I beat 'em at Regionals, States, Battle Roads, and League.
 
LOL I'm with Rikko on this one. I dunno about Luxchomp, But Dialgachomp against Arceus is a joke. They'll just lock the bodies, and besides, everything in the deck is one shotted by Garchomp C X.
 
@Tyraniking: An Arceus deck can easily one shot Dialga G Lv.X with fire Arceus, and colorless Arceus can just snipe Garchomp C.
 
Rikko145 said:
As in "Ha Ha, this is really too easy.". LuxChomp just has to drag up the types it wants to get rid of first or snipe the Arceus(s) with all the energy, then you're screwed. DialgaChomp snipes the types it doesn't like then locks your bodies as it demolishes your energy supply and takes easy prizes. That's the kind of bad joke I was referring to.

Whether you meant to or not, you inadvertently described one of Arceus' Strategies, Speed Sniping. Unlike Garchomp C, Arceus doesn't have to Level Up(Unless for Typing/HP increase) to Snipe nor wait a turn/switch to Snipe again.

This is how I see the match ups based off of MY testing(results may vary):
Standard Luxchomp:
Focus on getting Ripple Swell in the first few turns or sniping Luxrays/Garchomps if the opportunity presents itself. By then a good Luxchomp deck would have taken at least 1 prize over you. If so, level up {F}/{C} Arceus to return KO Luxray/Garchomp by using {D} Arceus' Prize Count. The beauty of this is that Luxchomp can't return KO a fully healed Arceus Lv.X since it has no weakness, allowing you to snipe again if need be. However, as the game gos on, Arceus will begin to lose its field presence unless it plays an energy every turn. This is were Luxchomp can mount a comeback unless Arceus is using the {P}{L} Arceus Level X. Its would be difficult to face a pokemon that can hit for 120 w/Belt then Snipe for 80 the following turn. In the end, Arceus takes what Luxchomp specializes in and turns it against them. Kind of like a mirror match but with one side not being weak to the other.

Standard DialgaChomp-
This can be difficult/annoying to easy/breezy. If DialgaChomp deafens early, then that stops your Ultimate Zones. However, you should during that time, be able to Ripple Swell while under Deafen Lock. Once that happens, it starts to put pressure on the DialgaChomp player by threatening to Snipe Benched Pokemon,namely Garchomp C. Now you could say, "I could just retreat/Warp Dialga into Garchomp C, levels up and snipe the sniper". However, by doing this, the Trainer/Stadiums Lock is broken. Allowing Arceus to play Ultimate Zone and move you excess energy, preferably to {C} Arceus, to Sky Spear KO Garchomp C Lv.X without leveling up. Once that happens, it won't take long for Dialga G become active again. Meaning {R} Arceus would OHKO it easier than on the bench. You could also say, "I could just Level up Dialga G and shut off you Poke-Body". This is true and it does hurt Arceus' ability to easily take advantage of typing. However, this also makes any Arceus that Levels up {C} with no weakness. Meaning Garchomp C would be easy pickings if it were to become active. If anything DialgaChomp is an easier match up than LuxChomp due to the Speed Factor and Tech-ability.
 
NJPokeDad said:
amisheskimoninja, I read your article. According to the article you have the Omniscent active and all the other Arceus on the bench so it can hit for any weakness.

However: it doesn't work that way. The Active Omniscient is only the type of Arceus he has leveled up, right?

Therefore if you have fire active and level him up then you are fire. If you need an electric type to fight a water pokemon you would need to bring him up from the bench, not use his attach.

You're missing the point. You should have whatever they're weak to active. No question about that. You level up the active to omniscient, and then you can use any attack on the field and get weakness advantage.

Obsidius said:
Not speaking for Ninja, but want to comment anyway. I haven't read through his article in detail, but I wouldn't base current Arceus decks to his due to it being outdated.

Not much has changed, really. Most of the combos arceus had are still there. the only new thing that helps it a lot that has come out in HGSS era is double colorless. So if you change call to DCE, and change roseanne's to collectors, and take out the G's for something else you should be good to go.
 
??? I was not aware that Arceus was doing ANYTHING right now... I may have to re-make my list...

As to matchups, I don't think Arceus has the speed, you can probably get a T2 full bench at best...
 
amisheskimoninja said:
Not much has changed, really. Most of the combos arceus had are still there. the only new thing that helps it a lot that has come out in HGSS era is double colorless. So if you change call to DCE, and change roseanne's to collectors, and take out the G's for something else you should be good to go.

I was referring to the matchups, mostly.

Its true, not much was rotated that hurts Arceus that can't be replaced. Arceus(along with every other deck in a way) seemingly improves with the release of each passing set:
HGSS-Pokemon Collector,Pokemon Communication,DCE
Unleashed-Shaymin UL
Undaunted- Energy Exchanger
Triumphant-Twins
 
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