Nidoking HSTR and Nidoqueen RR

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IanSedelow

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I'm excited to use this pair.
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Nidokings body gives him an extra 20 hp for every nidoqueen you've got in play while the RR nidoqueen heals for 10. This could make for a really big tank. What do you guys think about this combo? could it really work in the current meta game?
 
Ooh, I likey. This looks awesome.

Both King and Queen can use DCE to be faster, and Queen isn't an awful attacker either, seeing as your bench is going to be pretty full.

Only problems I see are high retreat, and Dialga G Lv.X
 
I thought of a deck like this when I first saw it, the only thing about it is it's speed getting out all the nidiqueen will be hard and getting out all the energys will also take a few turns. But overall I like the deck idea
 
I'm trying to make a rough deck list that would speed this combo up. I think i'm gonna run 4-3-4 lines of king and queen.
 
The skeleton line of this deck is simple:

4x Spiritomb PA/Sableye SF
4-3-4 Nidoking HS-Triumphant
3-2-3 Nidoqueen RR
4x Unown R
2x Uxie LA
1x Unown Q

Running maximum Nidoqueen isn't helpful. It, in fact, decreases the consistency when you really need to bust out the Nidoking. Nidoqueen's Body doesn't stack, which kinda stinks. Unown R makes the draw power increase tremendously. When considering Spiritomb, run Call Energy as well. When running Sableye SF, it's not as big of a deal. I prefer the Sableye because of its versatility when you get a really good hand, (for example, you can Pokemon Collector for Unown Rs if you already have a bunch of Nidoran on your Bench), and the fact you go first.
 
That Pokemon line count is 30, EspeonROX. I don't see any deck being fast enough to get all of that out...especially considering you need like 6 Fighting, 2 Psychic, 4 DCE, something like that. That's leaving room for about 18 T/S/St. That's just two low for my liking.

dmaster out.
 
A 2-1-2 line for Queen could help cut down the Pokemon a bit, thanks to Candy. Already with one Nidoqueen, Nidoking has 160 HP and a 20 heal, which is enough to last for a long time. Belt becomes a factor too.

On its playability? I'm unsure right now. Nidoking on its own does a nice 90 for three with DCE, assuming your opponent escapes the Poison on his or her next turn (if not, 100 before Belt). The deck is definitely one that needs time to setup, which is why I'm sketchy with its playability.
 
I'd go 3-2-3 on both. Most likely you don't need max Nidoking nor max Nidoqueen. The trainer line I recon would be a lot akin to the german FlyTerra deck.
 
Everybody is focusing too much on the Nidoking in the deck. Yes it is a great card with some nice synergy with the Queen, but still, it is the Nidoqueen that should be doing most of the heavy lifting, as it is the superior card. Something along the lines of a 4-3-4 Nidoqueen and a 2-1-2 Nidoking could work. The Nidoking is still very easy to get your hands on, and yet it isn't your main attacker. I'd run something along the lines of this:

4-3-4 Nidoqueen
2-1-2 Nidoking
1-1 Electrode Prime
2-1 Uxie Lv.X
1 Unown Q
(22)

The whole Electrode idea isn't finalized yet, but it could be replaced for a 1-0-1 Machamp, another Uxie and an Azelf, Azelf and Azelf Lv.X, etc.
 
Why is Queen better? The point is to Tank with King, Queen can't tank. I think this will be very good. King comes in a starter deck, which is awesome! The new Queen isn't bad either. Having a drawing attack isn't bad. So I would do like a:

4 Sableye SF
4-3-4 NidoKing (Triumphant)
3-2-2/1 Queen (2 RR and one Triumphant queen)
2-1 Uxie X
2-2 Dodrio(UD).
2 Unown Q (MD)

I would do that for Poke lines. I would also have like 4 Candy.
 
You say that Nidoqueen cannot tank? It is agreed that it is just as easy to get a Nidoqueen out as it is to get a Nidoking out, however getting the partner will take some time, as long as there is no ungodly start involved. So that means that Nidoqueen will be able to attack and heal when the game starts off, while Nidoking will not be able to do anything. Not to mention that Nidoqueen is able to get to a reasonable 140HP, and with the healing factored in, it will be able to tank just as effectively. Although Nidoking can reach a higher HP, I would say that there is not a noticeable difference in tank-ability and being able to attack, even if it is for just 40 (60 w/ Belt) for the beginning of the game is a major difference.

Also Queen's 2nd attack is equal to, if not better than, whatever King can do. King should be a late game tanker, which can take a prize or two without having to enter into the whole Prize Exchange thingamajig.
 
While the concept is very nice, I fear what it will be like in reality. It seems rather slow and clunky to me, although I would agree with DOX that Nidoqueen isprobably your best bet to start, and then use Nidoking to finish off at the end. The main issue this deck is going to have is how long it takes to set up. You can get Queen in fighting action T1-T2, but King is going to be T3 at the earliest. You might also have to rely on Energy Exchanger to make sure that you're loading up the DCEs early on.
 
That what I meant. When I say tank, it means really high HP, and or daage resitance(Dialga G tank with special metals). Queen can tank just not as good. 40 for 1 in the beginning is good I will say.

Edit: I like Triumphant Queen for the beginning better though. Draw until 6 cards in hand, and 30 damage for 1.
 
as a suggestion, for your nidoking line's

3-2-3 nidoking HST
4-3-1/3 nidoqueen HST/RR (the first attack allows a hand redraw, something thats kinda needed now that claydols out of the picture)

4 bts
4 rare candy
(in all actuality, your probably going to need more)

from a person who used to run a nidoking SW and nidoqueen MT deck (and has been trying to run at least 1 nidoking deck since jungle), if your using king as a nuke but need queen think of always having 2 spot's open for king but 3-4 for queen, and lastly, to many tech's in a nido deck tend to backfire alot. cya
 
I'm still working on the techs I spent most of my time at work today trying to counter Dialga G LV. X and keep a nice flow in this deck.
 
Perhaps just focus on the fact that Nidoking takes 3 energy to attack with. You must be real with yourself, this cannot be a good deck: only fun. I don't care how bulky king can get. You can barely attack with him. The reason torterra was a beast wall card was because it relied on NOTHING, it took 2 energy, had massive HP (naturally), had a pro X, and did a fair amount of damage (plus heals).

If you use this, play 3-2-3 king, 3-2-2(1) QueenRR/CatS (3RR queen is a waste). I would say...don't quit your day job (you brought it up...not me);P
 
first off, tossing a queen from this deck is no different then not putting plus power in a shuppet donk deck. usually in this case you start off with queen because it can deal 40 at t1 or 100 dmg max at t2 (hench why alot of people are saying 3-4 RR, self included), anyways counter's for DGX. Some people on the forums have been saying drifblim UD is a good counter but I like mismagius SF and or PGX better, sure it doesn't let you shuffle DGX into your opponent's deck but what are the chances that your opponent is going to have DGX as an active if drifblim UD is out? answer: not likely, sure warp point can change the tables but by that time daichomp will most likely successfully try to tko your drifblim before it can be used (t2-t3 attacks alwasy suck that way), so that rule's in the option of a colorless gain, ie flareon. basically fire stands the best chance against DGX but a majority of meta deck's don't use fire but flareon UD/RR dosen't ask for specific energy for there first attack and at t1 deal's 30, with an ebelt is a tko for Dailga G, pluspower, tko DGX (all you need is 60-70). then again blaziken PT can donk with DCE and w/o ebelt so there's various counter's to DGX, even one's I haven't listed that can work in a deck like this. cya

P.S. nidoking's expression at the time was vacant, i think, or maybe he's got a soulless abyss, your pick.
 
Sounds like a fun deck to play around with at a league. Is it just me, or does the nidoking look like it has no eyes?
 
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