Reshiphlosion now.
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Yet TyRam IS better than TyRamZone. Thats why TyRam, not TyRamZone, was more than half the meta at it's peak. If people wanted Magnezone, you go to either PrimeTime, MagneBoar, or EelZone. You can't combine a deck with some Magnezone and say it's good because its the deck+Magnezone. Adding a Stage 2, especially when you already play one that is good to have multiple out, has its cost.
Do you understand what we are trying to explain to you? Magnezone and Typhlosion is not the best combo out there. I think that's been said around 6-7 times in this thread, maybe more, yet you continue to rebuttal with weak points and arguments. And then you contradict yourself here, in the same paragraph:
It's tiring to argue a point over and over again, so please accept that TyRam is better off without Magnezone. Believe what you want, but you're not getting the rest of the forum to believe it with your pathetic responses.
Glaceon said:
It's tiring to argue a point over and over again, so please accept that TyRam is better off without Magnezone. Believe what you want, but you're not getting the rest of the forum to believe it with your pathetic responses.
I will say that I agree that Reshiphlosion will not function without Kingdra, Magby (with Burn Vulpix, Rocky Helmet, and sometimes Rescue), or Magnezone. It needs one of the three to be competitive. Running it without one of them means you lose to too much of the format. Running with one of them still doesn't make it better than a lot of the decks out there.Glaceon said:
Glaceon said:
As if it mattered. We kinda came to the conclusion that TyRam is not a solid play. Why attempt to try to make a deck "better" when it already fails to 3/4 of the meta? And don't even say "which is why you use Magnezone." That's just an excuse to counter 2-3 more decks, which isn't saving TyRam.
If you ask me in my opinion, ReshiPhlosion is really slow to set up, with only being able to revive 1 fire energy a turn, with the whiplash of 1 damage counter on the pokemon the energy is being attached to, which means (since Reshiram is bound to be the receiver) a whiplash of 120 from a mirror or ZPST could backfire everything. I would choose the following line:
4-2-3 Emboar (2 Abilities, 1 normal)
3 Reshiram
2-2-2 Typhlosion Prime
1-1 Ninetales
It ensures that you have one thing to provide with dead fires (Ninetales), a way to reattach those energies (Typhlosion), a way to attach fresh energies or recovered energies (Emboar), and a way to annihalate, destroy, and look good doing so (Reshiram). You could always add in a couple of things, such as soon-to-come staples, alternate strategies, or just plain energies. I hope you give this some consideration. The diference is that my idea doesn't soley rely on Typhlosion to supply energies, having Emboarmy favorite wrestler in the world! help out.
4-2-3 Emboar (2 Abilities, 1 normal)
3 Reshiram
2-2-2 Typhlosion Prime
1-1 Ninetales
It ensures that you have one thing to provide with dead fires (Ninetales), a way to reattach those energies (Typhlosion), a way to attach fresh energies or recovered energies (Emboar), and a way to annihalate, destroy, and look good doing so (Reshiram). You could always add in a couple of things, such as soon-to-come staples, alternate strategies, or just plain energies. I hope you give this some consideration. The diference is that my idea doesn't soley rely on Typhlosion to supply energies, having Emboar
Ok.
Well even if you don't use one or the other in certain matchups, that is a lot of space especially when TyRam (Yes Serperior, Tyram
) and Reshiboar are only mediocre decks. I actually tested this deck Pre-Nats and it was just too much.
No way your going to get all this out when it is much easier and more efficient to use one or the other.
Well even if you don't use one or the other in certain matchups, that is a lot of space especially when TyRam (Yes Serperior, Tyram
) and Reshiboar are only mediocre decks. I actually tested this deck Pre-Nats and it was just too much.No way your going to get all this out when it is much easier and more efficient to use one or the other.
Why Typhlosion AND Emboar...? Just run a thicker line if you want it to be that consistent. Having to have energy recovery (for Emboar) and then having Typhlosion still there doesn't make sense. You won't even have enough space to have that. Just one or the other.
Reshiram EX/Emboar is certainly a prospect, but we'll have to wait to see how that turns out. Just with the Pokémon/energy lines, it doesn't look great– hitting for 150 and doing 50 to yourself half the time, in KO range for Zekky/Reshi, but then look at Max Potion, Fisherman, Fliptini, Eviolite, heck, even Super Scoop Up and Switch to keep your opponent from that last prize. And BadBoar could be included as well (if your opponent has exactly 2 Prizes left, it's a better attacker than Reshiram), it could be a solid tank.
Reshiram EX/Emboar is certainly a prospect, but we'll have to wait to see how that turns out. Just with the Pokémon/energy lines, it doesn't look great– hitting for 150 and doing 50 to yourself half the time, in KO range for Zekky/Reshi, but then look at Max Potion, Fisherman, Fliptini, Eviolite, heck, even Super Scoop Up and Switch to keep your opponent from that last prize. And BadBoar could be included as well (if your opponent has exactly 2 Prizes left, it's a better attacker than Reshiram), it could be a solid tank.
Serperior said:
MagneBoar with 1-3 Reshiram EX is what I am looking at. Magnezone takes out any and all EX's for 2 prizes, and Reshiram just kills anything else.
Glaceon, Victini would just be Catcher bait. Don't play it, play Eviolite instead. Eviolite is even better than Victini because rather than a 25% to be ko'd it is 0%. RDL is also a bad idea, you should scrap the entire concept of getting energy from the discard and with RDL you would need to add Energy Retrieval/Fisherman. RDL is also really bad after Next Destinies, it only ko's Mewtwo and gets ko'd by almost every playable EX.
Scizorliscious said:
Huh, I never really thought about that. You just thinned my total price cost.
@alexmf2
That's a good idea, but wht are you going to do if your opponent gets out an EX before your Magnezone Prime gets out.
Reshiboar with Reshiram EX definately seems viable to me. If you drop a DCE and a Fire on Reshiram EX then play Refliptini, you've got a 75% chance of hitting 80 turn 2, and the other 25% of the time you're doing a respectable 50 damage. If you manage to set up Emboar turn 2 with 2 Fire and a DCE (not something to count on but certainly not impossible) you could be hitting 150 turn 2, and since that'll be taking you a prize every turn against everything but EXes (in which case you'll be taking 2 prizes in 2 turns) you could be winning on turn 7, and if that's if they don't run out of Pokemon to bench.
@Alexmf, If they're catchering your Victini it doesn't matter. 150 a turn is going to take a prize every turn, and if they choose to KO a Pokemon you can replace easily instead of trying to KO Reshiram EX, that's fine with me. Run both Eviolite and Victini, and you'll be averaging a recoil on a mere 7.5 damage per turn.
@Alexmf, If they're catchering your Victini it doesn't matter. 150 a turn is going to take a prize every turn, and if they choose to KO a Pokemon you can replace easily instead of trying to KO Reshiram EX, that's fine with me. Run both Eviolite and Victini, and you'll be averaging a recoil on a mere 7.5 damage per turn.
I guess. I'll be testing MagneBoar and ReshiBoar, I want to figure out which is better. You have to remember that MagneBoar becomes ReshiBoar until the last few prizes in which you use Magnezone to clean up.
EDIT: I'm thinking Rocky Helmet could be even better than Eviolite in ReshiBoar if you have Victini. It would make EXs OHKO-able.
EDIT: I'm thinking Rocky Helmet could be even better than Eviolite in ReshiBoar if you have Victini. It would make EXs OHKO-able.
I'd rather be doing damage as a dying wish than prevent 20 damage from a 120 or 150 damage attack that'd KO me anyways. Yay Rocky Helmet!
Magneboar with Reshiram EX tech? That seems kind of slow. I never liked running two Stage-2 Pokemon lines. I know, Goth/Reuniclus, Truth, they all do it, it's too clunky for me. I'd rather start with my main attacker and drop a Rare Candy on a Tepig T2 and start sweeping. Heck, you could run three EX and two regular Reshiram if your opponent isn't playing anything too bulky. Like Stage 1s.
Magneboar with Reshiram EX tech? That seems kind of slow. I never liked running two Stage-2 Pokemon lines. I know, Goth/Reuniclus, Truth, they all do it, it's too clunky for me. I'd rather start with my main attacker and drop a Rare Candy on a Tepig T2 and start sweeping. Heck, you could run three EX and two regular Reshiram if your opponent isn't playing anything too bulky. Like Stage 1s.