Why aren't these being discussed?

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Bronzong - Steel – HP110
Stage 1 – Evolves from Bronzor

Ability: Heal Block
As long as this Pokemon is in play, neither player’s Pokemon can recover HP.

[M][C][C] Oracle Pain: Does 30 damage plus an additional 10 damage times the number of cards in your opponent’s hand.

Weakness: Fire (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 4

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Weavile - Darkness – HP90
Stage 1 – Evolves from Sneasel

[D] Dark Penalty: 90 damage. If the opponent’s Active Pokemon doesn’t have a Pokemon Tool card attached to it, this attack fails.
[C][C][C] Fury Swipes: Flip 3 coins, this attack does 30 damage times the number of heads.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 1

Bronzong stops google' deck completely, and even gothitelle for the most part, and it is better than lunasol combo imo.
Weavile can hit for 100 with a sp dark against anything with a tool, and everyone is talking about eviolite and rocky helmet.
 
Bronzong:

google' Deck moves aroung damage, it doesn't always heal it. It also has a 4 retreat cost, making it easily Catcher bait, or Catcher can stall it.

Weavile:

Tools still aren't popular. It has a weakness to Donphan. Its worthless if your opponents doesn't run tools.
 
Nothing relies on removing damage counters enough to justify running Bronzong. google.dek and Gothitelle both move damage counters more than remove them (although it would hurt them). Against Gothitelle, though, it's just asking to be Catcher'd.

As for Weavile, glaceon's got it. Some people are talking about it, but it won't be useful unless Tools become very popular.
 
Bronzong might not even slow down google' deck too much. Seeker is used to heal some of the damage. Blissey wouldn't work, but you would be able to move damage around enough to be alright. Goth shouldn't have too much trouble. It just needs to catcher up the Bronzong and KO it in 2 turns.
 
Lunasol is a lot faster than Bronzong and it can donk stuff and even that isn't good, so it makes sense the card hasn't gotten any hype.

As far as Weavile, Yanmega does 70 for 0, it has 20 more HP, free retreat, equally bad weakness and much better resistance. Furthermore, it does 70 for 0 to anything, not just occasional random stuff. Weavile requires a specific type of energy to hit stuff for what will generally end up being 70-80 damage because I assume the only tool that will see much play is Evolite. That's not enough to one-hit Reshiram or Zekrom, but they can both Outrage OHKO it back. Weavile has absolutely no use outside those two matchups.
 
^ but you can't always do 70 for 0.. Unless you get lucky enough to copycat/judge every turn, because if your opponent is smart they can fix their hand every turn to where you HAVE to have a equalizer supporter in your hand.
 
Actually, using Junk Arm, failing supporters, benching, attaching energy, getting Pokemon you don't need with collector, and using Trainers, you can get your hand up/down to there amount. Also, yanmega has no retreat, and with Weavile they have to have a tool. Would you rather not be able to do anything if your opponent doesn't run tools, or if you maybe can't match there hand size for one turn?
 
Sleeping Snorlax said:
^ but you can't always do 70 for 0.. Unless you get lucky enough to copycat/judge every turn, because if your opponent is smart they can fix their hand every turn to where you HAVE to have a equalizer supporter in your hand.
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Can you honestly say with a straight face that Yanmega will be unable to attack more than Weavile?

Have you even played Yanmega? Maybe 1 out of every 100 turns you play with it you won't be able to attack. Remember they have to draw cards outside of their draw for their turn in order to get their hand high enough for you to be unable to attack. Oak's/Juniper/Sage/Twins/Collector/Junk Arm can all double as hand match cards too.
 
Celebi23 said:
Can you honestly say with a straight face that Yanmega will be unable to attack more than Weavile?

Have you even played Yanmega? Maybe 1 out of every 100 turns you play with it you won't be able to attack. Remember they have to draw cards outside of their draw for their turn in order to get their hand high enough for you to be unable to attack. Oak's/Juniper/Sage/Twins/Collector/Junk Arm can all double as hand match cards too.
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From my experience, I've gone many turns to where their yanmega can't attack. It's not that hard to go around yanmega. You just have to think.
 
Yeah and it was all of the top 4 decks at Nationals and is currently the most expensive prime and most hyped card in the format because nobody knows how to think. T_T

How on earth do you explain Yanmega's tournament record if it's so easy to stop it?
 
Idk.. I guess not everyone's region is like mine... :( Houston area sucks because masters is sooo good here. It makes me think more than I want to for a card game. But i will say yanmega would be more consistent than weavile, but weavile could be a game finisher in some dark decks. Who knows... this format is so bleh. It's either kill first or be killed :/
 
Yay time to get off-topic! How is this format at all bland? There's no clear BDIF at all. I mean all of the Reshiram I saw at my last Battle Roads were running 2 Mew, a Relnicath and a Bellsprout just to not auto-lose to Vileplume and Gothitelle. Most of the other decks were Magnezone or Magnezone counters because Magnezone seemed like a good play. Unfortunately, all the Magnezone counters seemed to lose to trainer lock and the end result was total chaos.

Also, I can't think of any really big names from Texas. Not to say there aren't any good players from there though - just no really big names. Probably PM me if you want to continue this part of the debate so we don't get killed by the mods.

So this doesn't get deleted, I'd like to add that 90-100 damage (reduced to 70-80 damage) isn't exactly a game finisher attack. Lost Burn is a good example of a game-ending attack. An extreme example of one is Gyarados "Star". In this format, 90 damage is early-game damage - it's not even powerful.
 
Don't revive threads older than two weeks that have little discussion value... thank you :)

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