Project Custom 3-Pokebeach Site (Approved by PMJ)

[MylesProwr]

Wow, really guys? I can't believe you would argue over something so ridiculous. Rykeus, don't flame. Especially when the subject has nothing to do with you. I at least thank Xous for being as nice as possible with his arguments and trying not to flame.

The next person to say something about this is being temp-banned.

 

[B-Ray]

Since PC3 has been running for so long, you would think you would have solved the major issues that always happen. Such as, I don't know.. dropouts? You act as if it's something new that you don't know how to deal with it. Dropouts and late entries are COMMON, and still when they happen, you have no solution.

Well, how do you suggest we handle it then? You say this like you are the all knowing and almighty God here.....obviously we have been TRYING new things to solve these problems, they just arent working. 7 Days is PLENTY of time to finish one banner, with hardly any restrictions. Xous can SCRATCH a banner in a week, dont tell me that you cant whip up SOMETHING in that time frame, if you cant, you shouldn't have joined in the first place. So by all means, tell me what you would do that I haven't.

This competition is really fun for most of us, which is why we choose to participate. And because we want to go far in the competition, we stress ourselves out on finishing our piece for YOUR due date. If we don't, then we get 0 points, or whatever the penalty is. But if we get it out on time, then there's no difference, as the judges are late on their scoring. What's the point in getting our entries in on time if you'll just be giving the late entries extended time to finish? Pretty hypocritical imo. I'm just sayin, for a traditional tourney, I say you get it together.

It dosent matter. As I went over before, seven days is PLENTY of time for ONE banner, so if stressing is involved, you probably dont have enough time for this. Project Custom Tournaments brings a higher level of competition to forums.....higher expectations, nitpick scoring, but we do that for a reason. Competing in this tournament should not only be a privilege, but a commitment to turning something in once a week. Since MOST, if not ALL, failed to turn something in, as I said in my last post, WHAT IS THE POINT as far as judging goes? I judge three pieces per tourney and we move on? To what? The whole framework we spent hours crafting crumbles and you expect me to just throw it all away so you can get your banner score? I tried....I really did. I tried to bring you people something like no other, a you're blaming me for this? I dont think that is very fair at all.

And Rykeus: You're TOTALLY right on giving people with late entries MORE points. It makes total sense. I mean, let me take 2 months to finish a piece, and get MORE points for those that finish on time. Yea.

This logic is flawed. The incentive points make up 1/150th of the challenge score, and feedback is what the incentive is mainly meant for. An incentive should be given for those who finish their piece in a timely manner as it seems people just dont get started and they end up dropping out, which we know is an issue. Like I said before, Seven Days is PLENTY of time to make a very good banner. You shouldn't need anymore than that, and even if you did, you can still edit your piece after the challenge is over and make it better if you so wish but that wont affect the competition.

 

[Rykeus]

and btw, what's the point in hosting a gigantic contest like PC if there are smaller ones which are more enjoyable and controllable.

PC is held on:

-2 forums without banner makers
-1 forum which has no general interest in it
-PokeEarth, which is practically dead since it's admin only allows members he chooses himself.
-and Pokebeach, which is the most effective location by far.

no wonder it fails...

the main difference is we won't be controlled by a *dic*tator like BR who tells us (or in this case just you guys) what to do and by what time to do it.


My Opinion (to which i'm entitled): Project Custom is a big waste of time.

 

[NerdSparks]

dont you think that's a little harsh?

 

[Rykeus]

feh, in my opinion, BR is a little kid with a Pokemon nickname who can't even render images himself. (and he calls himself the greatest artist around...)

really, BR, Sugimori renders? those are noob images lol

then he's acting like he's "the king of the world" (as previously quoted) cuz he's hosting a contest for which you should be "privileged" to be allowed to join it.

 

[George2FRESH]

Well, how do you suggest we handle it then? You say this like you are the all knowing and almighty God here...obviously we have been TRYING new things to solve these problems, they just arent working. 7 Days is PLENTY of time to finish one banner, with hardly any restrictions. Xous can SCRATCH a banner in a week, don't tell me that you cant whip up SOMETHING in that time frame, if you cant, you shouldn't have joined in the first place. So by all means, tell me what you would do that I haven't.

Lol. Tell me BR. Who's the one running the competition here? Me? No, it's YOU. Who's the one who's kept this competition running for so long that there has been already 3 of them? Me? No again, YOU. And you're asking ME for suggestions? Here's my suggestion, GET ORGANIZED. Yes, I COMPLETELY agree, 7 days is WAY MORE than enough time to finish a banner. I know that, xous knows that, you know that, everyone who turned something in knows that. BUT THE ONES WHO DIDN'T, DON'T know that. So don't tell me 7 days is enough, tell the ones who don't care for your competition enough to turn something in.

What's so hard about giving the ON TIME Competitors our scores? Why can't you give us 1 week to finish, when that deadline hits, give the judges about 3 days to score (if it would really take your judges that long). Who ever didn't turn something in before the due date, screw it, drop them. If they missed the first challenge, what makes you think they'll be committed for a competition that takes months to finish?

Do I go around judging peoples works? Do I go around thinking I'm soooo good at banner making that I have to have my own competition to judge others? No. I give people ADVICE. And I don't say things like "You shouldn't have done this, you should have done this". I SUGGEST things that I myself would do, and they can use it my advice if they want. And for the most part, people PM ME. Not the other way around. So how the h/ll am I going around thinking I'm the almighty God?! If anything, YOU'RE the one going around thinking you're the best artist around, but I'm not going to get into that with you.

I agree, 7 days is enough time to finish a banner. Which is why I don't take all 7 days. Sure at times it takes me at the MOST 5-6 days to turn something in, but that's not because I take all 6 days working on it, it's because I don't do it until last minute. Because I KNOW for a FACT, that it won't matter if I get it in on time, because you'll just be giving others who DON'T turn it on time, extended time to finish.

My point is BR, that you ask us to finish work in on time. If we care about it, we do finish on time. So if you can't give us our scores ON TIME, don't be a punk to some of us about it who just ask for the same courtesy. We ask "Where's our scores?" only because that's the day it SHOULD have been given to us.

It dosent matter. As I went over before, seven days is PLENTY of time for ONE banner, so if stressing is involved, you probably don't have enough time for this. Project Custom Tournaments brings a higher level of competition to forums...higher expectations, nitpick scoring, but we do that for a reason. Competing in this tournament should not only be a privilege, but a commitment to turning something in once a week. Since MOST, if not ALL, failed to turn something in, as I said in my last post, WHAT IS THE POINT as far as judging goes? I judge three pieces per tourney and we move on? To what? The whole framework we spent hours crafting crumbles and you expect me to just throw it all away so you can get your banner score? I tried...I really did. I tried to bring you people something like no other, a you're blaming me for this? I don't think that is very fair at all.

Maybe "stressing" wasn't the right word. Actually, that's not the right word at all because this competition is NOTHING to stress about. All I'm saying is, you give us a due date for a reason. You want us to finish ON TIME. So why not give US the same courtesy, and give us OUR scores ON TIME? What's so hard about that? I get it, there could be 10 competitors, and 4 turn something in, and you don't want to judge only 4/10. Then the ones who don't turn something in, you can either drop them yourself, or deduct points. Seems like they don't care much for the competition anyways if they don't turn something in on time.

 

[Rykeus]

i'm not saying mine is necessarily better than his. i'm just saying he shouldnt act bigger or more important than he is.

(and G2F, i know you're not necessarily on my side, but thanks for pointing that out lol)

 

[Staraptor]

Seems like they don't care much for the competition anyways if they don't turn something in on time.

Not necessarily true; I care about the competition, I just couldn't find the time to finish my entry. By the time I realized he was trying to give us (the people who didn't turn something in) some extra time, I thought it was too late.
I'm not sure, but is it possible to get my entry in tomorrow, and still be judged? Of course, I'd take a deduction of points, but that would be my own fault.
Although, I completely understand if I'm not allowed to. =P

 

[George2FRESH]

You're saying out of 1 week.. 7 days.. 168 hours, you can't find at least a few hours to come up with something? Come on, that's unheard of. "7 days is PLENTY time to finish ONE banner", after all, Xous can SCRATCH a banner in a day. If you can't, you shouldn't have joined in the first place.

But, if you don't agree with that logic, don't blame me, as I'm just quoting the Competition leader.

Right BR? That's the moral belief of this competition?

 

[B-Ray]

G2F-I dont judge 4/10 because the competition as a whole wont go anywhere. Also, I wasn't asking you for suggestions, that was sarcasm xD Other than that, I have no problems with the rest of what you said....most of which I agree with.

I do see the point that the way this competition is going has nothing to do with the people who turned in their pieces, and I thank you for that. So to show my thanks and end this on a good note, scores will be posted tonight for those of you who completed the challenge.

Also, if any of you have Diamond and Pearl and a Wi-Fi connection, feel free to send me a PM and I'll send you a list of pokemon and you can pick one for yourself.

If the other judges would like to score, they may, but of course, it wont be doing anything regarding the future of the competition, because in essence, there is no more future.

To everyone else-I'm so truly sorry.....for everything. This competition was made for artists to enjoy a good art competition, and I dont believe it was that, so I apologize. This will not be the end of my involvement in the arts here.....I already have a few ideas on what I would like to do, seeing as I'll have more time to devote to it now that this is over. I look forward to that, and hopefully you will too =]

Thank you.
-Black Rayquaza

 

[Xous]

I look forward to any future installments in the arts you'll make here on PokéBeach - I'm sorry to see this go, though.

 

[MylesProwr]

Also posting to ask if you guys wanted this thread locked. =O I at first felt it was necessary, but I didn't want to end the competition because of one person's actions. You guys let me know. ;]

 

[Xous]

Also posting to ask if you guys wanted this thread locked. =O I at first felt it was necessary, but I didn't want to end the competition because of one person's actions. You guys let me know. ;]

I think Black Rayquaza should decide, but I know he wants to post the scores tonight. ^_^;

 

[Brett]

Well, I am sad to end this on this Note B-Ray. I am truly sorry I couldn't get and entry in, just not enough time for art at the time for me.

 

[B-Ray]

Here they are, as promised. Remember Each Entry will be graded on a 100 Point Rubric. The rubric(s) are as follows:

Graphic Art Rubric (Banners, Avatars, Trainer Cards)
Style: x/20
Originality and use of color: x/20
Relation to the Challenge: x/20
General Effects: x/20
Effort: x/10
Overall: x/10
Total: x/100

Fanfic Rubric
Originality: x/20
Relation to the Theme/Prompt: x/20
Diction and Tone: x/20
Attention to Detail: x/20
Effort: x/10
Overall: x/10
Total: x/100

If your entry does not fit the requirements of the challenge, that will be taken out of your overall score.

With that out of the way, lets get to the judging.

B-Ray's Scores-PC3 Custom Banner Challenge (Challenge #2)

Prof. Shinx's Entry

Style: 17/20 Nice job making it a Postcard style....would have liked it to be fully transparent though.
Originality and use of color: 15/20 This could have been done better....the text is what cost you points here.....it's plain and the color wasnt the best choice.
Relation to the Challenge: 20/20 Nice work.
General Effects: 18/20 Again, Postcard idea = WIN
Effort: 9/10 I think you put some thought into this....keep working on the execution, but you tried on this.
Overall: 7.5/10 A Banner that has potential...keep working on it =]
Total: 86.5/100

Xous' Entry

Style: 18/20 You have a good style going on here with the background, Nape and Torterra. The edges are smooth and they all blend beautifully. Which brings me to my point....the rest of the things on the banner seem to have a "conflicting style" I wish they blended like the others....use of transparency could have helped or add some effects to cover it up. Besides that, looks nice.
Originality and use of color: 18/20 I dont like the color choice of the text.....I think that I wouldn't have added the Pixies and Legends....it looks just fine with the other things....it looked a but too busy as a result of that for me. Besides that, very original concept and executed very nicely.
Relation to the Challenge: 20/20 Captured the theme well. Nice work.
General Effects: 17.5/20 Again, conflicting styles is my main issue here.....also, your scratching is awesome but nothing on the banner has any effect.....things like Drop Shadow and Outer Glow can really add something to your artwork....give it a try in the future.
Effort: 9/10 Nice job.
Overall: 9/10 Its a good banner overall....try to catch some of the things I mentioned in the future and see if you agree. =]
Total: 93.5/100 +2 Added

George2FRESH's Entry

Style: 17/20 I've found that your biggest problem is animation.....for some reason, I haven't seen too many animated things from you that I think are fantastic. The major problem I have with this is the pixelation.....I know that its not completely your fault, but there are some things you can do to help it like adjusting dither and choosing more gif-friendly images.
Originality and use of color: 17/20 The first slide, I LOVED. Great use of the region and one of the most underused things in art....missingno =] With that said, the rest of the banner let me down originality wise. Not only did it completely change from the style I loved, it made no sense. In Slide #2 you said Hacks FTW and 99x Master Balls and such (which isn't cool, but I'm not judging on that) and THEN in Slide #3 you say so many pokemon, only ONE masterball. I thought you had 99? lol. I would have just taken Slide #2 out, personally.....I think it only hurts the piece.
Relation to the Challenge: 19/20 Good work.
General Effects: 16/20 I didn't LIKE the banner....it had no real effect, as it changed styles so dramatically.....I just dont think it was fluid, something that needs to happen for animation to be a success.
Effort: 8/10 I saw some, but I dont think too much thought went into it.
Overall: 7.5/10 Not a bad banner, but again try to look at your piece before you turn it in and critique yourself =]
Total: 84.5/100

twintails's Entry

Style: 16/20 If it wasn't so messy, this might have been higher...cool swirl and nice job with the transparency usage =]
Originality and use of color: 18/20 Good solid pallet.....cool, but not over the top. Nice Job.
Relation to the Challenge: 19/20 Did the challenge. Point off because you only used pokemon.....not a requirement, but I would have liked to see a trainer in there.
General Effects: 13/20 It's not clean...at all. I would have taken out the starters, but I told you this on the feedback.
Effort: 7.5/10 This dosent look like you gave any second look to it....alot of these problems are plainly visible. Try to look at your piece when you think you're done and give a critical eye.....most times, you'll end up editing xD
Overall: 6.5/10 Please try to work on making them clean.....other than that, nice job
Total: 80/100

lilsparks101's Entry

Style: 18/20 Great job with this.....It looks clean, and fluid.
Originality and use of color: 17.5/20 Nice work using a region that people wouldn't think of normally. Creative. However, the text color is WAY off....it should never be the same color as the background....it looks off =/
Relation to the Challenge: 20/20 Did what was asked =]
General Effects: 17/20 Font color and the font in general bring this down....try downloading some fonts, theres a ton of great ones out there.
Effort: 9/10 Very nice.
Overall: 9/10 Good banner! The only problem I have with it is text, besides that nice job.
Total: 90.5/100

Challenge #2 Scoreboard
1. Xous-93.5
2. lilsparks101-90.5
3. Prof. Shinx-86.5
4. George2FRESH-84.5
5. twin tails-80

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B-Ray's Scores-PC3 Fanfic Challenge (Challenge #2)

Pokémaniac's Entry
Originality: 20/20 WOW. Very original use of game fact to enhance your entry. Fantastic.
Relation to the Theme/Prompt: 20/20 Perfect use of the DPP Generation.
Diction and Tone: 18/20 Good, but at times it was a little sketchy
Attention to Detail: 19.5/20 I thought you paid great attention to detail, but the line of the story was odd.
Effort: 10/10
Overall: 10/10 Very well done.....best fanfic I've read in quite awhile.
Total: 97.5/100

Xous' Entry
Originality: 18/20 Blends with the banner you made, thats pretty cool =]
Relation to the Theme/Prompt: 20/20 Nice work.
Diction and Tone: 19/20 Good job here.
Attention to Detail: 18.5/20 I feel you could have done more with this....we all know this scene from the game, I just wish there was something more added to give it that much extra.
Effort: 8.5/10 I can see the effort you put into this
Overall: 8.5/10 Entertaining Fic, nice job.
Total: 92.5/100


Challenge #2 Scoreboard
1. Pokémaniac-97.5
2. Xous-92.5

So there are the scores....I'm sorry to see this competition end, but I am very pleased and excited for what is to come =]

Myles-For the time being, please leave this open for comments on these scores. If Rykeus starts his useless spamming again, then you can lock it I guess, if people start complaining more than usual.

Stay Tuned!
-Black Rayquaza

 

[kaze]

DANG!!! Still not last +2?

 

[Xous]

Congrats, Pokémaniac, in the writing challenge! Your piece was, as judged, extremely well done (whereas mine, I confess, could've used a lot of work and inspiration xD ).

And thanks to everyone for being such great competitors in this (now-ending) competition. I've learned a lot from this, and I'm sure you all have, as well. Once again, I'd like to thank Black Rayquaza and the other judges for making this grand competition possible.

 

[Moneyking63]

I just recieved this tragic news and I know how hard it has been for Black Rayquaza especially, as well as the rest of the staff. We had a good run, and I personally don't know what else we could have done. It's tough running the show and I saw that first hand these past few months and I still am in awe. The idea seemed nearly flawless but nothing is ever perfect. I wish you all luck in the future and for you to stick around and don't be a stranger to me, the PC staff, and especially the art community. I wish you all luck in whatever you do.

Most of you don't know this but the first Project Custom came to be because of the failure of another fan creation tournament. It was Max Shade IV if any of you know that name, I was a contestent, Black Rayquaza was a contestent, a good group of people were in it. Max was unresponsive for around a month and he let the tournament die, the contestants on the other hand didn't we entered our stuff and when he came back briefly for a few days it was judged. Black Rayquaza took matters into his own hands at the disapointment the tournament brought to all involved and created Project Custom. So I say to you, just because this Project Custom failed in a sense of the word, doesn't mean they all will. So I urge you all to get further involved in the art community and put it back on beach's map.

My Sincerest Regards,

~Moneyking63

 

[Pokémaniac]

That's a shame. I was really looking forward to this contest.

Oh well. Thanks Xous. =D Yours was very good too. You're a skilled artist and a skilled writer. Bravo.

I'll probably start on a fan-fic. I have an idea in my head, inspired by the last round and should be quite different and a good break from the norm.

 

[Full Moon]

can i join